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this is James Randi and you're listening

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard I'm extremely excited this week

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you look you know last week or week

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look excited I'm excited you know why

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because this episode is going to feature

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ear candling my favorite medical

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treatment about time do ah phenomenal

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Richard thank you so much for finally

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bringing the truth of this wonderful

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wonderful scientific method very sight

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of the show in fact later on in the

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episode we have dr. H she's going to be

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talking all about ear candling and then

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you come up with another one of your

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brilliant advertorials ah look I come

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from a long line of ear candling zoo oh

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yes I do we go way back and look it's a

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great great technique it's a great it's

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great movement hmm because you know

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people just you stick the candle in

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everything becomes perfect and wow it's

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what a great sure we have with ear

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one number 15 we're knockin away with it

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with it with the old zone we inserted

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old it's an alternate and I'll chosen 15

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being like lately Oh excellent I'm thank

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you again thank you for everybody who's

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riding into it and posting comments on

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the comment section lots of good

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Richard you're doing a great job

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maintaining the website as well I'm

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excited also in today's episode we have

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another in our series of interviews with

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hand signals of inverted commas because

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psychic yeah you can't see it in the

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we have a special report dr. AG and I

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went down to Bondi Beach the Scalia's or

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Sydney's most famous speech I guess on

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foot thongs I hope so but you'll hear

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fair charity very good cause I think

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some of them went to medical research

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someone else we got we've got the

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regular segment our new regular

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tournament with Iran so give called

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at autism oh yeah area fascinating topic

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dr. Rachel reports as I mentioned before

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be looking at here camera oh thank

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goodness for the only green ellis

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followed by the roundup with my koala

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hand and the think tank of course oh

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yeah oh what a great show again the zone

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is fully in the zone it is now listeners

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please get your ear candles ready and

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we'll get on no no no take your ear

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candles out because you have to listen

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to the show oh when you finish you can

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shove them back any I didn't think about

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shoulders it's a terrible situation now

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one at a time follow it dr. Rachel

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explain everything about it all the

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science behind ear candling I'm looking

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like that oh alright well let's get on

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welcome to the second in our series of

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interviews with Barry Williams the

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recently retired chief executive officer

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of Australian skeptics here Barry talks

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about some of his experiences in the TV

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studio and i'll never forget one

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particular occasion there was a visiting

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wisdom that we had a well and sort of

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superficial claptrap that if your local

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coming in with diva nemesis is but she

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she she when she was ever paying these

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things which cost they were five hundred

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have one chef and but of course on the

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got six minutes or three minutes or

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whatever it is they've got to rid of you

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really how about that amazing ever there

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the transfer who would have needed

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this woman island we want you to come

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green room with John morganelli like in

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red rum holes the chaplain he was

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sneer no really it was wonderful I knew

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I knew and she made all these statements

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this is this is a good way of making

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money but the chance of getting any

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wisdom from long dead individuals or

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people rather planets minuscule and

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racing well thank you very much for all

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that's all he and Jeff Harvey who was a

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then orchestra band is to play the

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intros now hazel and although shares and

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but enough to log on people dropped

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unison yes sir and as a result of all

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yourself you get a measure of minor

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celebrity when people actually rescued

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both budget court appear on TV never

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another's that's the answer now see your

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ontology and of course you do we both

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now a shot that's right I must say to

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say something other than what I met does

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it surprise you that year after year

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technical but very understandable that

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people should think for themselves

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things that are going to control your

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life think about up use your brain and

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don't believe think that's a good motto

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skeptic co that is such and such but

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would you like to expand on it which is

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Beach on the twenty-sixth of January

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Australia Day hello Rachel hello Richard

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should clarify the clarified that yes

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and there are giant green thumbs being

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handed out left right and center we're

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going to sit there and play table so

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we're going to be sitting on them

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they're about five feet tall falling out

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of the window a blob they are actually

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they're being blown up upstairs in the

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surf lifesaving club and some of our

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listeners would know about the bond i

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surf lifesaving club because there's a

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show called bondi rescue which is my

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today yeah

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yes they're falling out of the roof next

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to us and there's a year about five foot

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long and yellow and green which is a big

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colors of Australia oh hell no this is

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what we do on our national day we line

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up and we get giant inflatable phones

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but there is a reason behind this

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challenge today we choose in there is

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there Rachel yes there is well firstly

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is to raise money for charity actually

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for the Starlight Children's Foundation

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which is children's cancer and also for

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the little nippers which is surf

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lifesaving and but it's also to break a

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world record there's a world record

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attempt yeah and we might be part of

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that we will be paddling well hopefully

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the previous world record was set in

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2006 at coogee and that was 863 people

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on inflatable phones and so the

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organizers today are hoping to beat that

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we'll look around you there are hundreds

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of people here in the queue with us

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lining up in various places so yeah they

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may well be the today yeah it's very

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busy I mean it's only just past nine

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a.m. here and already there there are

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hundreds of people milling around so

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it's looking possibly like they might be

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that 863 but Richard I think it's going

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to be hilarious I hope so I'm not sure

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I'm going to be able to stay on my first

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I'm going to be laughing so hard it's

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it's a couple of hours later well Rachel

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that was fun that was fun wasn't it how

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many people do you think they were

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richard floating on inflatable thongs as

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in footwear and a giant ring up I'm the

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water um it's hard to say six seven

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maybe eight hundred yeah it looks like

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about that many to know but it was quite

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funny folks because what actually

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happened was they the lifesavers put a

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series of boys in the shape of the

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circle connected by rope and we all went

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out paddled our way out and then held on

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for dear life in some instances because

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the swell actually got quite big at one

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point in that Richard it did now

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listeners if you go to our Flickr page

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links on our web page skeptics and TVs

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you can see some pictures of these crazy

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thongs now we're sitting on the beach at

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the moment the beach is covered with

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giant inflatable thongs as far as I can

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see in all those both directions yeah

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and most people were a lot of people

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actually try to deflate their thumbs at

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the moment and it's actually a month

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more difficult than you think now I'm

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parents here who's a regular skeptics in

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the pub and hello that's the sound of

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her he's pleading her but you're lying

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on the phone it's doubled over you

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trying to get all the error yes that's

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right Richard trying to get it out very

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very slowly but very very shortly and a

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couple of hours and there's lifeguards

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coming behind us now and they're baggy

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were there

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inflatable surf boat probably going to

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want to park it again

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actually Richard when we were out we had

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to we were a whistle blew and we had to

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all hold the hand of the person next to

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us for I think 30 seconds to set the

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record and during that time there were

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about four or five surf boats out there

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from Bondi rescue and about three or

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four News choppers yeah and all the news

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channels were represented on the shore

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so it must be a slow news day I reckon

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yes miss folks that's what makes news in

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Australia floating on giant inflatable

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astronomy cast it takes a fact space

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journey through the cosmos as it offers

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listeners weekly discussions on

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astronomical topics ranging from planets

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to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

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Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela gay

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of southern illinois university

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edwardsville this show brings the

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questions of an avid astronomy lover

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directly to an astronomer together

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Fraser and I explore what is known and

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being discovered about the universe

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around us join us each week as we take a

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fax face journey through the cosmos at

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astronomy cast calm let's all take this

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for various reasons autism has a

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somewhat controversial standing in the

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public perception which causes it to be

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co-opted by various groups with varying

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agendas to support their point of view I

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will mention at the top of the list of

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such groups those who oppose vaccines

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but they're not the only ones before

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discussing why autism features so

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prominently in a number of high-profile

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debates it is important to understand

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what autism actually is so let's start

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by defining it autism is the name given

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to a wide range of effects or behaviors

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that often appear together such as

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social ineptitude repetitive behaviors

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problems with verbal communication lack

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of eye contact and more autism is

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defined as a mental disorder in dsm for

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the diagnostic and statistical manual of

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mental disorders and there are several

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similar disorders such as Asperger's

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syndrome that are considered to be

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related and are often described as being

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on the autistic spectrum autism and

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those related disorders are often called

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pervasive developmental disorders which

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accurately reflects the broad spectrum

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of types of observations associated with

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them from mental to social to physical

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to date the causes of autism are not

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fully known evidence of structural and

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functional differences in the brains of

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autistic individuals is growing and the

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case for a significant genetic component

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is strong though it clearly cannot be

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attributed to a single gene or a small

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number of genes there are several

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features of autistic spectrum disorders

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that make them particularly prone to

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debate relating to their existence and

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causes one the diagnosis is purely

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clinical meaning there is no completely

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objective tests such as a chemical or

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genetic test that can be used to confirm

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the disorder too as mentioned earlier

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the causes are not clear three various

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features of autistic spectrum disorders

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appear in a neurotypical zeeeee which

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are non autistic individuals professor

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Tony Atwood a leading authority on

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Asperger's syndrome likens the autistic

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spectrum to a hundred piece puzzle every

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human has some pieces of the puzzle and

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no human has all 100 but at a certain

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point we say there are enough pieces to

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see the picture and we define that as

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being within the autistic spectrum for

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autistic individuals can vary widely in

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their presentation of symptoms while

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some symptoms are very common it is not

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unusual for an artistic individual to

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lack some of the more obvious or

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well-known symptoms 5 despite autistic

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spectrum disorders being pervasive and

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persistent it is rare for them to be

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diagnosed or even observed in the first

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few years of life and finally 6 there

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has been a huge rise in the number of

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children diagnosed as autistic in the

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past 25 years these features have led to

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several groups having autism at the core

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of their agenda and I use the term group

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loosely here to indicate a common agenda

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as in reality there are hundreds if not

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thousands of physically and

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organizationally separate groups across

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the globe the first and by far the most

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harmful is the anti-vaccination movement

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I do not wish to discuss the history of

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this appalling movement but it is

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important to be clear that the focus on

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autism is just a matter of experience

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for them much the same as the focus on

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mercury is basically there are

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persistent in their search for negatives

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that can be linked to vaccines and

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autism is just one such item

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the main reason autism is linked to

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vaccines is temporal many autistic

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children present their first symptoms at

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around the same time as the MMR vaccine

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is administered in most Western

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countries the idea is undoubtedly helped

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by the increase in diagnosis mentioned

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earlier add to that the uncertainty

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around the causes of autism the anguish

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of parents faced with an incurable

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disorder that can sometimes be extremely

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debilitating the alter human desire to

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find a causal agent or increasingly

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someone to sue and you've got all the

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ingredients required for an

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agenda-driven movement that has no

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regard for facts to use autism as one of

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its main reasons to object to vaccines

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let it be absolutely and unequivocally

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clear there is no link between vaccines

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and autism this has been demonstrated by

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enough controlled in epidemiological

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studies to make it effect not worth

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debating any further there is no

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difference in autism rates between

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vaccinated in advocacy native children

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and the idea of a link only exists

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because of one small and long

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discredited study by dr. Andrew

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Wakefield but diagnosis rates have risen

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has been clearly shown to be the result

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of broader criteria and a tendency to

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over diagnose rather than any real rise

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in autism and in the few places where

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vaccination programs have stalled autism

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rates continued to rise another group

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that uses autism in its agenda is the

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environmental movement in attempts to

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link toxins in the environment to autism

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I'll not before I go any further that

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this claim is considered fringe even

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within the mainstream of the

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environmental movement the idea is that

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toxins mostly heavy metals in the

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environment cause autism several books

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on the subject have been written with at

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least one autism brain and environment

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but dr. Richard lathe being very

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scientific in its approach and

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presentation dr. Lloyd's book contains a

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lot of actual science content

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unfortunately his conclusions are not

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based on the science but rather on

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premises and assumptions that are not

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supported by the science he presents or

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by any science at all while dr. lathe

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probably did not write the book with an

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environmental agenda his book has been

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embraced by those in the environmental

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movement who saw in its support for

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their claims a third group is

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Scientology

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scientologists do not believe in autism

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and therefore fight organizations that

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support autistic people and their carers

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and instead promote their well-known

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panacea personality tests auditing and

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all the rest of their nonsense and if

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you didn't cringe at the start of the

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previous sentence are repeated so you

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can cringe now Scientologists do not

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believe in autism the next group is of a

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very different sort as it comprises

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mostly parents of affected children

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there is no external agenda involved but

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rather an attempt to deal with the

546
00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:34,309
reality with child with an autistic

547
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,190
spectrum disorder people in this will

548
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:38,960
believe that autism can be cured or at

549
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:42,320
least alleviated by diet numerous books

550
00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:44,090
have been written both analyzing the

551
00:22:47,529 --> 00:22:45,830
subject and offering various and often

552
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:47,539
conflicting suggestions for a diet that

553
00:22:52,899 --> 00:22:50,210
would cure autism lactose and gluten

554
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:52,909
feature prominently of course and that

555
00:22:57,159 --> 00:22:55,369
fact alone is highly suggestive as those

556
00:22:59,529 --> 00:22:57,169
two substances have been implicated in

557
00:23:01,149 --> 00:22:59,539
so many different ailments that it is

558
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:01,159
hard to avoid thinking that they are the

559
00:23:05,979 --> 00:23:03,769
culinary equivalent of grey aliens being

560
00:23:08,649 --> 00:23:05,989
derived from culture rather than from

561
00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:08,659
scientific knowledge regardless of the

562
00:23:12,879 --> 00:23:10,820
specific diet there is no evidence at

563
00:23:15,549 --> 00:23:12,889
all at this stage that diet alleviates

564
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:15,559
autism nor is there a known mechanism by

565
00:23:20,169 --> 00:23:16,970
which the brain can be changed

566
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:20,179
sufficiently by a diet the closest thing

567
00:23:24,099 --> 00:23:21,950
to supporting evidence is that some

568
00:23:25,509 --> 00:23:24,109
autistic like features are present in

569
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children that are otherwise not autistic

570
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and those symptoms have been shown on

571
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rare occasions to be the result of

572
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allergy or intolerance to various foods

573
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:34,669
this should definitely not be enough to

574
00:23:38,289 --> 00:23:36,529
limit the child's food choices or to

575
00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:38,299
divert the parents attention from the

576
00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:39,980
important task of assisting the child

577
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:42,200
deal with his or her condition which is

578
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:43,970
clearly a risk if the parents believe

579
00:23:48,849 --> 00:23:47,210
the child is being cured the last group

580
00:23:51,399 --> 00:23:48,859
is those who believe in the theory of

581
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indigo children but before I talk about

582
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:52,669
them I would like to make a point

583
00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:54,730
regarding the use of certain words

584
00:24:00,099 --> 00:23:56,929
throughout this talk I use the words

585
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:00,109
disorder and symptoms and cure I use

586
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:02,090
these words for simplicity and to avoid

587
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:04,609
too many definitions these are the words

588
00:24:08,919 --> 00:24:07,730
used by scientists and clinicians there

589
00:24:11,019 --> 00:24:08,929
are many people who would be unhappy

590
00:24:12,609 --> 00:24:11,029
with that as they do not see autism as a

591
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disability but rather as simply a

592
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different personality type indeed I

593
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personally think that there are many

594
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children on the autistic spectrum that

595
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,570
would benefit from being viewed as

596
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special rather than deficient and have

597
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:24,679
such amazing capabilities that to try to

598
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cure them would be an injustice having

599
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:29,150
said that most children on the spectrum

600
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can benefit from assistance in those

601
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:33,320
areas in which they are lacking and they

602
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:34,970
are emerging methods of assisting such

603
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:36,710
children that are based on what is known

604
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:39,110
about the causes of autism rather than

605
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:40,700
on assuming that occur is around the

606
00:24:45,490 --> 00:24:44,210
corner the indigo child people believe

607
00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:45,500
that there are children around and

608
00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:46,940
represent a higher state of human

609
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,190
evolution they attribute certain

610
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:50,720
paranormal abilities to these children

611
00:24:55,149 --> 00:24:53,390
such as the ability to read minds but

612
00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:55,159
their descriptions quite clearly overlap

613
00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:57,320
with the dsm-4 definition of autism and

614
00:25:00,610 --> 00:24:59,090
it would be difficult not to suggest

615
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,620
that many of those who believe that

616
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,960
their child is indigo believe so because

617
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:04,880
it is an attractive way of D medical

618
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:07,730
izing the condition of saying my child

619
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:10,730
is not damaged she's special while I

620
00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:12,650
sympathize with the urge it is clearly

621
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:14,870
misguided and if the child is denied

622
00:25:19,409 --> 00:25:16,460
help because of the view that there are

623
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,419
indigo then harm will have been done I

624
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,679
have not of course mentioned every

625
00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:23,360
single agenda that has autism at its

626
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:25,400
centre but I believe I have touched on

627
00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:26,809
some of the more important and prominent

628
00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:29,780
ones unfortunately the nature of autism

629
00:25:33,399 --> 00:25:31,549
promises that new ones will come about

630
00:25:35,169 --> 00:25:33,409
in the future and will continue to

631
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:35,179
divert attention from the progress being

632
00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:37,610
made by diligent researchers in helping

633
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:48,730
you're listening to the skeptic zone I'm

634
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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

635
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:03,799
with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello everyone

636
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,440
and welcome to dr. Reggie reports are

637
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you feeling blocked up and bloated /

638
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:11,240
tired and stressed digestive system not

639
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:13,910
functioning optimally one of the many

640
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:15,710
physical symptoms resulting from a

641
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:17,809
poorly functioning digestive system is

642
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,320
the production of a lot of earwax now

643
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:22,880
there is an easy way to flush your

644
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:25,580
system of excess earwax whilst detoxing

645
00:26:32,169 --> 00:26:28,700
and relaxing all at the same time ear

646
00:26:33,789 --> 00:26:32,179
candles people are for you now today on

647
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:33,799
dr. Rachel reports I'm going to be

648
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:35,900
talking about one of the most ridiculous

649
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,570
preposterous and insane forms of

650
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:40,880
alternative medicine known as ear

651
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,200
candles this modality encompasses just

652
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:47,600
about every stupid misconception of CAM

653
00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:50,030
defies the laws of science in every

654
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:52,820
possible way and above all is really

655
00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:56,120
really stupid now most of us would

656
00:26:59,710 --> 00:26:57,830
remember our mothers telling us not to

657
00:27:02,350 --> 00:26:59,720
put anything in our ears smaller than

658
00:27:04,659 --> 00:27:02,360
our elbows right well I don't remember

659
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:04,669
if my mom ever mentioned not to put

660
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:07,280
burning sticks in my ears but then why

661
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:09,320
would she I think she knew I was not

662
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:12,169
that stupid well she was certainly right

663
00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:14,630
about me I'm certainly not about to put

664
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:16,190
burning sticks in my ears but

665
00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:17,870
unfortunately the same cannot be said

666
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:21,860
for other people so what is ear candling

667
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,020
if you haven't heard of this prepared to

668
00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:27,679
be shocked an ear candle air cone or

669
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:29,630
hoppy ear candle and some of them are

670
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:32,809
non is an arrow hollow cone reminiscent

671
00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:35,090
of a household candle that has been

672
00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:37,160
soaked in beeswax or paraffin and

673
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:39,950
allowed to harden the process of ear

674
00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:42,169
candling involves the patient lying on

675
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,360
his or her side while someone else

676
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:46,640
inserts the point of the candle inside

677
00:27:51,549 --> 00:27:49,130
your ear then the top of the candle is

678
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:51,559
lit on fire and left to burn for up to

679
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:54,350
15 minutes and the health claim most

680
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:56,330
often made for ear candling is that the

681
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:58,970
flame creates warmth and suction which

682
00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:00,740
is apparently supposed to draw ear wax

683
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:03,830
out of the ear canal proponents say the

684
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:05,390
evidence for this is in the candle

685
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:07,490
itself because when you have finished

686
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:08,090
can

687
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:13,610
expose the brown waxy mush and they

688
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:16,250
claim this as earwax as well as toxins

689
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,720
that have been sucked out of your ear

690
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:20,720
during the process proponents also say

691
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:22,760
that ear candling can cure a wide range

692
00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:25,070
of medical problems including ear aches

693
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:27,860
headaches sinus pain and infections

694
00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:32,000
sinus pressure tinnitus vertigo it can

695
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,400
also remove impurities from the passages

696
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:36,799
by drawing excess yeast fungus and

697
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:38,690
bacteria from the sinuses and lymph

698
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:41,950
glands and even revitalize the chakras

699
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:45,320
yet absolutely none of this is true just

700
00:28:49,409 --> 00:28:47,450
so we know where we stand with each

701
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:49,419
other at this point I wish to reiterate

702
00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:53,679
one ear candles are dangerous and stupid

703
00:29:00,519 --> 00:28:57,860
too they do more harm than good three

704
00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:00,529
they will not remove wax from your ears

705
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:03,590
for in some cases they have actually

706
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:06,830
deposited wax in people's ears and I'm

707
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:08,510
almost embarrassed to tell you listeners

708
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:11,210
that good science from proper scientists

709
00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:13,490
and doctors has been wasted testing

710
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,740
these things and despite the evidence

711
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,020
that they are well in that they do more

712
00:29:22,690 --> 00:29:20,330
harm than good camp people continue to

713
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:22,700
buy them and use them now the seminal

714
00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:24,890
study on the safety and efficacy of ear

715
00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:27,590
candles comes from Celia tell and was

716
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,820
published in laryngoscope in 1996 the

717
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,679
authors were particularly interested in

718
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:35,360
the claim that the candles create a

719
00:29:41,289 --> 00:29:38,840
vacuum as proponents said so they used a

720
00:29:43,149 --> 00:29:41,299
pressure measuring device to measure

721
00:29:45,549 --> 00:29:43,159
whether changes in pressure occurred

722
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:45,559
during the duration of the burn they

723
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:47,690
conducted 20 trials with two different

724
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:50,210
types of candles and reported no

725
00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:52,130
negative pressure at any point during

726
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:54,830
the trial they also conducted a clinical

727
00:29:59,919 --> 00:29:57,080
trial as part of this study involving

728
00:30:02,560 --> 00:29:59,929
four people two of which had ear wax and

729
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:02,570
two who did not and they reported that

730
00:30:06,899 --> 00:30:04,580
the candles did not remove earwax as

731
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:06,909
proposed and in fact in some cases

732
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:09,770
candle wax was actually deposited in the

733
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,020
patient's ears the authors of this study

734
00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:15,679
also conducted a survey of 122 ear nose

735
00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:18,740
and throat specialists and found 21

736
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:21,470
cases of serious injury caused by ear

737
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:22,040
candle

738
00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:24,860
in six of these cases patients

739
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:27,800
temporarily lost their hearing and other

740
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:29,510
problems reported among the group

741
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:33,320
included certain cases of burns seven

742
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:35,270
cases where the wax from the candle had

743
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:38,090
blocked the ear canal and one case of a

744
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,750
punctured eardrum in 2004 Ed's odd Ernst

745
00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:43,760
the professor of complementary medicine

746
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:46,760
at the University of Exeter published a

747
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:48,350
review article in the Journal of

748
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:51,890
laryngology and otology entitled ear

749
00:30:57,130 --> 00:30:54,350
candles a triumph of ignorance over

750
00:30:59,650 --> 00:30:57,140
science and within this article he said

751
00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:59,660
ear candling is one of those care

752
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:01,640
modalities that clearly does more harm

753
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:04,370
than good its mechanism of action is

754
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:06,530
first implausible and second

755
00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:09,710
demonstrably wrong in my view therefore

756
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,500
it should be banned the website quack

757
00:31:17,170 --> 00:31:14,960
watch also published a frequently cited

758
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:17,180
article where they illustrate the

759
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:18,650
dangers of ear candling with the

760
00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:21,830
following stories a Canadian woman who

761
00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:23,990
experienced stuffiness in the nose and

762
00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:26,660
ear pains while scuba diving went to a

763
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:28,760
local health food store and was referred

764
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:32,330
to a qualified candler during their

765
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:34,850
supposed treatment she felt an intense

766
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:37,460
burning in her ear at the emergency room

767
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:39,620
attempts to remove wax that had dripped

768
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:41,890
from the candle into her eardrum failed

769
00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:44,690
surgery was required and the hole in her

770
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:47,270
eardrum was discovered which presumably

771
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:50,000
was caused by the procedure she

772
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,010
recovered fully and luckily her hearing

773
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:54,320
was not affected the practitioner

774
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:57,050
involved apologized compensated the

775
00:32:02,260 --> 00:31:59,090
woman and stopped performing ear

776
00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:02,270
candling also they should in addition

777
00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:04,550
instances of significant fires

778
00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:06,860
associated with ear candling have been

779
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:09,500
reported in Alaska one of which led to

780
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:14,780
the users death on January 27 2005 a 59

781
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:17,270
year old woman ignited her bedding when

782
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:18,920
she dropped an ear candle that she was

783
00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:21,580
attempting to use without any assistance

784
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:24,200
the candle ignited the bedding and

785
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:25,910
quickly spread to curtains and other

786
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:28,730
combustibles in the room the woman did

787
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:30,830
escape the fire however but suffered an

788
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:32,510
asthma attack and died in a hospital

789
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,410
emergency room later based on this

790
00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:37,360
evidence and studies conducted by their

791
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:39,100
own laboratories the canadian

792
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:41,980
authorities banned ear candles from sale

793
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:45,430
and import into canada the health canada

794
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:47,320
website has this to say about ear

795
00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:49,690
candling the sale of this product for

796
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:51,670
therapeutic purposes in canada is

797
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:54,850
illegal as well both canada and the

798
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:56,830
united states have issued directives

799
00:33:01,770 --> 00:32:59,190
that ban the importing of ear candles

800
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:01,780
some promoters try to avoid the

801
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:03,850
regulations by advertising that ear

802
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:05,980
candles are for entertainment purposes

803
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:09,730
only however health canada maintains

804
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:11,140
that these people are selling the

805
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:12,970
product illegally for medical purposes

806
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:15,790
as there is no other reasonable use for

807
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:18,010
ear candles which makes it even more

808
00:33:24,090 --> 00:33:20,410
preposterous that in Australia they are

809
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:24,100
in fact listed with the TGA meaning they

810
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:26,110
can be sold in pharmacies alongside

811
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:30,010
science-based medicine this in my

812
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:32,230
opinion is a complete failure on behalf

813
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:34,810
of the TGA with respect to protecting

814
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:37,690
the public from harm the australian

815
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:40,090
register of therapeutic goods devices

816
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:42,430
lists thirteen different types of ear

817
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:46,150
candles including such nonsense as the

818
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:48,610
alternate detox spa series of ear

819
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:52,390
candles and these from why karma natural

820
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:54,490
health products which are described as

821
00:33:59,850 --> 00:33:57,160
to apply a single treatment of ear

822
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,860
cleansing directly to the air you know

823
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:02,080
one has to wonder what the role of this

824
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:04,330
clearly constipated government body is

825
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:06,580
doing in protecting the public from harm

826
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:08,310
when they register nonsense like this

827
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:11,260
you only need to make a cursory glance

828
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:13,390
at pubmed where you will find multiple

829
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:15,850
papers providing evidence that these

830
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:18,460
things are nonsense i personally have

831
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:20,620
had experiences with staff in pharmacies

832
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:23,080
in australia regarding these dangerous

833
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,840
devices one who told me she wouldn't

834
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:27,760
recommend them to customers but they

835
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:29,970
sell really well so what can you do and

836
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:32,380
another young guy who looked at me

837
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:34,090
blankly when i suggested that ear

838
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,220
candles have no place in a pharmacy of

839
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:38,560
course I don't expect a kid with an

840
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:40,090
after school job to know that these

841
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:42,520
things are a scam and worse still can

842
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:45,130
perforate your eardrums but I do expect

843
00:34:48,899 --> 00:34:47,020
the pharmacist to know and take

844
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:48,909
responsible actions and I

845
00:34:53,609 --> 00:34:50,710
you expect the government to not turn a

846
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:53,619
blind eye here's an example of one ear

847
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,450
candle company who have hijacked the

848
00:35:00,299 --> 00:34:57,880
history of an ancient Indian tribe to

849
00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:00,309
add legitimacy to their product the bio

850
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:03,160
Sun company claims that their hoppy ear

851
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:06,280
candles are based on the formula that is

852
00:35:12,750 --> 00:35:08,470
traditional to the hoppy Indians of the

853
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:12,760
USA cotton beeswax honey sage chamomile

854
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:15,970
and st. John's wort the hoppy who are

855
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:17,380
renowned for their great medicinal

856
00:35:22,109 --> 00:35:20,170
knowledge collaborated with bio Sun to

857
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:22,119
pass their formula on to the rest of the

858
00:35:28,799 --> 00:35:27,010
world well not according to vanessa

859
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:28,809
charles who is the public relations

860
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:32,170
officer for the hoppy Tribal Council who

861
00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:34,569
has stated more than once there is no

862
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:36,460
such treatment within traditional hoppy

863
00:35:42,569 --> 00:35:39,490
healing practices vanessa has said that

864
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:42,579
ear candling is quote not and has never

865
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:44,980
been a practice conducted by the hoppy

866
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:47,650
tribe or the hoppy people and even

867
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:49,660
though the choppy tribe has repeatedly

868
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,940
asked by our son to stop using the hoppy

869
00:35:57,329 --> 00:35:55,119
name bio son has not complied with their

870
00:35:59,299 --> 00:35:57,339
requests and continues to claim that ear

871
00:36:01,799 --> 00:35:59,309
candles originated within their tribe

872
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:01,809
but people if I have still not convinced

873
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:03,569
you that these are a load of nonsense

874
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,270
why not become an ear canola gist yes

875
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:09,760
you heard me right I did say ear canola

876
00:36:14,609 --> 00:36:12,670
gist you can become a certified ear

877
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:14,619
canola gist with a correspondence course

878
00:36:21,029 --> 00:36:18,220
from the awareness Institute and quote

879
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:21,039
perform a wonderful service to yourself

880
00:36:25,289 --> 00:36:23,740
and others this course consists of

881
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:25,299
learning about the history of ear

882
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,460
candling which is a lot of pain and

883
00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:30,640
suffering i think ear anatomy candling

884
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:33,750
procedure cause an effect and much more

885
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:36,520
this just goes to show that people will

886
00:36:41,370 --> 00:36:39,490
believe just about anything and i will

887
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:41,380
leave the final word with ben goldacre

888
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,390
from the bad science column and blog

889
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:45,760
people who are so stupid that they'll by

890
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:48,490
ear candles we I think that ear candles

891
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,010
will be the least of their worries and

892
00:36:55,019 --> 00:36:52,839
if you'd like to buy a no ear candling

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00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:55,029
t-shirt visit our t-shirt page at

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00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,970
zazzle.com and to find the links and

895
00:37:02,220 --> 00:36:59,680
references for this story head to

896
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:02,230
skeptics on TV and follow the links to

897
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:02,530
this

898
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:16,720
what do you think or do you know about

899
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:21,430
ear candles ear Candace ear candles ah

900
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:24,350
what I know about them think about I

901
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:27,350
think they're pretty gross in a way like

902
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,570
in the sense that i don't know i need to

903
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,520
maybe do one I don't know what actually

904
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:33,200
thing I really have an opinion on your

905
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:35,090
candles and I think it's some weird

906
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:36,440
hippie Indian thing or they stick a

907
00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:38,260
candle in your ear and light it and

908
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:41,540
everything goes away it's rubbish are

909
00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:45,170
they what made out of earwax these are

910
00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:46,820
actually candles people stick in their

911
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:48,440
ears and like the ends of them yeah

912
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:51,440
that's not cool oh but did I really do

913
00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:53,300
that yeah yeah no that's not cool at all

914
00:37:58,450 --> 00:37:55,430
listen I've been heard of it I have not

915
00:38:01,180 --> 00:37:58,460
heard of it it's yeah that's gross have

916
00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:01,190
you ever heard of ear candles or do you

917
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:03,320
know anything about ear candles no they

918
00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:04,730
sound interesting those data type of

919
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:09,260
firework in your ear like a roman candle

920
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:11,810
that comes out if you what do you think

921
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,050
they sound like yeah I'm really not sure

922
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:19,040
what it what it mean to be honest is it

923
00:38:24,609 --> 00:38:20,810
they're not candles made me wax or

924
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:24,619
something no they're not mmm so body

925
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:30,170
would you buy that it's in cheap know

926
00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:32,180
their candles that you actually put into

927
00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:33,500
your ear and then you light at the end

928
00:38:37,870 --> 00:38:35,270
and they're supposed to draw wax out of

929
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:37,880
your ears what do you think like that

930
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:39,650
idea how the candles themselves made of

931
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:42,950
wax ah yes so you put wax in your year

932
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:44,810
to get wax out of your ears that is it

933
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:47,570
right kind of what happens here I don't

934
00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:50,270
understand the scientific basis behind

935
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,960
that or if there is any and personally I

936
00:38:58,570 --> 00:38:55,760
don't think I'd try that myself it

937
00:39:01,300 --> 00:38:58,580
sounds a bit bit out there and a bit

938
00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:01,310
like golden people might might go for it

939
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:03,020
but it doesn't sound like really work

940
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:05,420
for me what do you think about putting a

941
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,020
lit flare next to your hair oh if you've

942
00:39:13,090 --> 00:39:11,119
seen my hair it's pretty beautiful so I

943
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,100
would I would never do that myself and

944
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:15,920
I'd ever have had one from my experience

945
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:17,080
the lighter in my hair

946
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:19,510
no I would do it what about Bon Jovi

947
00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:21,370
you're a big fan of my Sophie Mitch I

948
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:24,340
mean they have lots of pyrotechnics I'm

949
00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:26,410
pretty sure on David actually have

950
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:28,660
insurance policies taken out on Bon

951
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:30,730
Jovi's here because it's so beautiful so

952
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:32,410
I think they have to really research

953
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:34,090
stuff before they depart technics need

954
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:37,990
near that hand okay focus Mitch ear

955
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:42,730
candles yeah um imagine maybe the

956
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:46,000
candles that out sort of bent 90 degrees

957
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:49,180
so you can stick them in tears and you

958
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:51,610
could like them and then they've never

959
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,260
to act like you know one of those helmet

960
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:56,560
with the with a light thing in front

961
00:40:01,280 --> 00:39:58,930
window caving maybe no that's what

962
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:01,290
people used to use before they invented

963
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:06,160
like mantlet elements hi I'm dr. Stefan

964
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Soyka for the International Institute of

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ear candling Sciences an institute I

966
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found it and awarded myself an honorary

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PhD for my efforts in founding the

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975
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research i have developed an aloe vera

976
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977
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979
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ear and protects your face hair third

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eye and upper chakras for the

981
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potentially life-threatening byproduct

982
00:40:53,580 --> 00:40:51,460
of ear candling hot wax we have

983
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:53,590
conducted extensive anecdote gathering

984
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on the product and already the results

985
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are simply astounding we have had

986
00:41:02,250 --> 00:40:59,860
reports of clear thinking astral

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travelling deep tissue realignment and

988
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bedsore reduction after just a few

989
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,910
sessions I personally have found the

990
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991
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protector to be of great benefit during

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the more intense ich addling sessions

993
00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:15,280
when past lives are dredged up and

994
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,590
through the healing process

995
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:18,720
uncontrollable shaking can occur

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even with the most experienced Reiki

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practitioner on hand wax can go

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hello my name is my koala hand and

1015
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welcome to the roundup where I share

1016
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:22,940
news and views of all interest skeptics

1017
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,100
humanists secularists and followers of

1018
00:42:29,950 --> 00:42:28,160
the flying spaghetti monster my first

1019
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:29,960
story is about the vapid British pop

1020
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:31,970
star robbie williams this isn't the

1021
00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:33,740
first time I've mentioned this king of

1022
00:42:38,110 --> 00:42:35,960
shrill and shallow pop music Robbie

1023
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:38,120
Williams is fascinated by aliens from

1024
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:40,220
outer space and often goes on UFO

1025
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:42,410
spotting camping trips you'll be

1026
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:44,450
immensely pleased to know the Australian

1027
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:46,730
pop singer Peter Andre well known for

1028
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,500
his absolutely annoying single

1029
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:50,750
mysterious girl is going to team up with

1030
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:53,870
Robbie to hunt for aliens Peter Andre's

1031
00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:55,550
said to a British newspaper quote

1032
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:58,070
Robbie's a great guy we've already been

1033
00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:00,260
texting about meeting up I'm going to

1034
00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:02,420
look for aliens and UFOs with him I'm

1035
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:04,760
obsessed about them and gutted I've not

1036
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:07,670
seen one yet and quote the world eagerly

1037
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:19,410
on the subject of outer space aliens

1038
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:22,120
cult sci-fi comedy red dwarf is going to

1039
00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:24,070
return to TV screens for a special

1040
00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:26,590
two-part series more than 20 years after

1041
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:29,860
was first aired the show ran for eight

1042
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:34,480
seasons on the BBC from 1988 until 1999

1043
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:36,820
the new episodes will be screened over

1044
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:39,640
the Easter weekend in the UK the new

1045
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:41,710
episodes written by co-created Doug

1046
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:43,510
Naylor and featuring all the original

1047
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:45,790
cast will see Dave Lister the last

1048
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:48,130
living human and the hopeless crew of

1049
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:50,170
the spaceship red dwarf returning to

1050
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:52,210
earth there will also be a

1051
00:43:56,460 --> 00:43:54,220
behind-the-scenes special and an

1052
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:56,470
unplugged episode with no sets no

1053
00:44:01,560 --> 00:43:59,530
effects and no cue cards the programme

1054
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:01,570
attracted about eight million viewers at

1055
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:03,820
its peak and was broadcast in more than

1056
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:15,980
my next story is courtesy of mark bunker

1057
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,840
creator of z new TV com a website that

1058
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,760
exposes the illegal actions and

1059
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:22,859
fraudulent activities perpetuated by the

1060
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:26,070
Church of Scientology no doubt you have

1061
00:44:29,810 --> 00:44:28,140
heard of nancy cartwright she is best

1062
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:29,820
known for providing the voice of bart

1063
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:32,100
simpson and various other characters in

1064
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:35,880
the animated sitcom The Simpsons what

1065
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:37,650
you may not know is that she has been a

1066
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,090
dedicated member of the Church of

1067
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:42,359
Scientology since 1989 she actually

1068
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,730
donated a massive 10 million dollars to

1069
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Scientology in 2007 she is currently

1070
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:50,640
using her bart simpson voice to promote

1071
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a scientology event in a robo call for

1072
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australian listeners this is an

1073
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automated telemarketing phone call that

1074
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uses a computer delivered recorded

1075
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:03,560
message this is the recorded message

1076
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:08,460
abbot a man this is bad Simpson just

1077
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:10,140
kidding don't end up this is nancy

1078
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:11,880
cartwright and this is a very special

1079
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:14,730
phone call to you I'm now auditing on

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00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:17,250
new OT seven and have been asked to

1081
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:19,140
speak at the flag World Tour event on

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January 31st in the Grand Ballroom at

1083
00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:24,980
the hollywood & highland center at 630pm

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it's going to be a blast man I will be

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there to share my many wins and solo das

1086
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,570
auditor and to see the Golden Arrow

1087
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:35,880
still presentation of flag the mecca of

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00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:38,250
technical perfection I hope you can make

1089
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:40,950
it man to confirm for the flag event

1090
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:43,710
please call us back at eight eight eight

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00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:49,410
eight four 1713 one that's eight eight

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00:45:58,590 --> 00:45:54,390
eight eight four 1713 one see you there

1093
00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:01,360
creepy isn't it I'm sure the Simpsons

1094
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:02,600
creator Matt Groening wouldn't

1095
00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:03,890
appreciate having one of his most

1096
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:06,080
popular characters used to promote this

1097
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:08,360
highly controversial cult was this

1098
00:46:13,150 --> 00:46:10,820
vetoed by Fox if not nancy cartwright

1099
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:13,160
may have violated her contract I'm

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00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:14,990
certain the fans of The Simpsons would

1101
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:17,960
agree if Bart Simpson really existed he

1102
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:19,640
would be the last person to show support

1103
00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:25,550
for Scientology an incredibly brave

1104
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:27,380
Sunshine Coast woman has blamed the

1105
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,240
brisbane christian fellowship for

1106
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:31,280
breaking up her family and has called

1107
00:46:36,340 --> 00:46:33,790
for a Senate inquiry into cult churches

1108
00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:36,350
helen pommery has been divorced by her

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00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,840
husband of 30 years and cut off from her

1110
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:40,240
two children and three grandchildren

1111
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:42,710
since she was excommunicated from the

1112
00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:46,270
brisbane christian fellowship in 2001

1113
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:49,160
she was given a week to leave home after

1114
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:51,110
refusing to submit to the orders of her

1115
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:53,060
husband and other Brisbane Christian

1116
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:55,100
Fellowship elders who had banned her

1117
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:56,930
from contacting a daughter who had

1118
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,610
already been excommunicated from the

1119
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:01,760
church miss palmer e wants a once

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00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:03,830
proposed senate inquiry into the

1121
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:05,780
right-wing religious sect the exclusive

1122
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:08,330
brethren to go ahead and to include the

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00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:10,280
brisbane Christian Fellowship miss

1124
00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:11,990
palmer e said the brisbane Christian

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00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:13,790
Fellowship which is a part of the

1126
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:16,610
network of 25 churches uses abusive

1127
00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:18,860
tactics to maintain control over members

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00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:20,840
and was responsible for destroying

1129
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:23,390
families laughably the Brisbane

1130
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:25,490
Christian Fellowship claims to promote

1131
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:28,640
sound family relationships she has also

1132
00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:30,890
said organizations such as the Brisbane

1133
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:32,750
Christian Fellowship were granted

1134
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:35,270
government concessions as churches but

1135
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,830
were not subject to regulation or

1136
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:39,250
answerable to any external Authority I

1137
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:41,540
commend an admirer Mizpah Murray for

1138
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,430
standing up and exposing the abuses that

1139
00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:45,200
are perpetuated within these destructive

1140
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:47,540
groups one wonders if our politicians

1141
00:47:53,950 --> 00:47:49,340
will ever address the abuses of these

1142
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,380
hi this is Richard Saunders thanks to

1143
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,520
the generosity of listeners like you I'm

1144
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:01,800
able to supply my reporters with digital

1145
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:04,470
recording equipment in fact I'm bidding

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00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:06,390
on some of the moment if you care to

1147
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:08,550
make a donation if you like the show of

1148
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,810
course go to ww skeptic zone TV and

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00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,180
click the paypal button we really

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00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:17,220
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1151
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:19,590
way and helps us a great deal thanks

1152
00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:27,270
very much join us now for drinking

1153
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,830
skeptically in the think tank well here

1154
00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:36,420
we are once again in the think tank

1155
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:41,340
cheers everybody cheers think and i'd

1156
00:48:45,830 --> 00:48:44,010
like to welcome dr. rachel Dunlop hello

1157
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:45,840
Richard how are you hello Rachael and

1158
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:48,780
Tiffany day hello Richard a new skeptic

1159
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,360
zone member Iran segev hello Iran hello

1160
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,700
it's great that you could join us in the

1161
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,640
old club here our new club in fact when

1162
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,500
your club new club which is working out

1163
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:00,720
pretty well I think yeah it's okay sorry

1164
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:02,250
I ain't rich pretty good here each other

1165
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,440
isn't it yes it's really great so oh I

1166
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,480
enjoyed Mike what was it corned beef for

1167
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:11,760
some corned beef and white sauce classic

1168
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:15,930
oldies oldies yeah okay with is he all

1169
00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:18,300
the old peoples we are in RSL so you

1170
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:20,790
have to expect that kind of thing well

1171
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,100
before we get stuck into the the stories

1172
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:24,960
on the old think tank today a couple of

1173
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:26,970
things I'd like to mention there's a new

1174
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:30,920
blog being set up called mind-body

1175
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:35,490
wallet oh wow my buddy whoa now if you

1176
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,260
would like to contribute Saul about anti

1177
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:40,380
quackery and if you've been itching to

1178
00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:43,380
have your opinions on quackery expressed

1179
00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:45,030
on the web and you haven't got around to

1180
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:48,560
it yet you can write to anti quackery @

1181
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,160
gmail.com

1182
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:53,200
and you could be part of the new blog

1183
00:49:58,290 --> 00:49:56,860
mind bunny wallet dot blog spot.com I

1184
00:49:59,340 --> 00:49:58,300
think I'll have to get in touch with him

1185
00:50:01,710 --> 00:49:59,350
because I've got a few issues with

1186
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:01,720
alternative medicine yes I do you add to

1187
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:04,150
that as we heard earlier in the shackles

1188
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:06,790
now another thing to mention is I've

1189
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:08,350
been enjoying immensely and we've had

1190
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:12,070
some ads for this particular podcast

1191
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:17,680
humbug humbug 101 now that's because

1192
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:19,810
it's really interesting it is it really

1193
00:50:23,370 --> 00:50:21,640
is really good information about logical

1194
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:23,380
fallacies and this is stuff that we

1195
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:25,480
should know automatically which I don't

1196
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:28,810
I'm embarrassed to say a lot of logical

1197
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:30,190
fallacies I'm still learning how to

1198
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:32,980
identify them and everything but do

1199
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:35,380
listen to the podcast you can find that

1200
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:40,720
at ww skeptics field guide net it is a

1201
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:42,580
really good podcast I'm enjoying it

1202
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:44,290
immensely they interviewed a psychic a

1203
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:46,570
couple of interviews a podcast ago

1204
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:48,820
they've also released a book having a

1205
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:50,440
Richard they even buy at that website

1206
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:54,970
you can indeed the humbug book again

1207
00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:57,010
full of how to spot logical fallacies

1208
00:51:02,040 --> 00:50:58,510
and something every skeptic should know

1209
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:02,050
I think sounds good doesn't it doesn't

1210
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:06,490
do and while i'm on a roll thank you

1211
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,490
thank you very much good alcohol friend

1212
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:11,680
Fred Bremer in Vancouver Canada who got

1213
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,360
that little snippet of james randi at

1214
00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:16,000
the beginning of the episode this is

1215
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:18,220
james randi and you're listening to the

1216
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:21,160
skeptic zone I was so good Fred hi Fred

1217
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,330
thanks so much for that fred was

1218
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:24,640
actually at a talk that james randi did

1219
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:27,670
maneuver and after that everyone saw

1220
00:51:31,410 --> 00:51:29,170
that rates down to skeptics in the pub

1221
00:51:33,630 --> 00:51:31,420
and to their surprise I believe this is

1222
00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:33,640
the impression I got from facebook and

1223
00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:36,340
flickr Randy just turned up to have a

1224
00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:38,080
drink with them I think that's what

1225
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:39,580
happened that's when Fred was kind

1226
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:41,260
enough to think about thank God a little

1227
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:42,790
soundbite of Randy which she heard at

1228
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:44,080
the very beginning of the show today

1229
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:46,450
it'd be nice if Randy just showed up

1230
00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:49,780
here Peter Samaras he's a clever man you

1231
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,740
know

1232
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:52,720
he's a magician maybe he can operate

1233
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,140
maybe he can never maybe he can yeah you

1234
00:52:01,830 --> 00:51:58,480
haven't met James Randi yet have you no

1235
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:01,840
no I hope to be a next time and meet him

1236
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:04,450
finally I mean liaison with him by mail

1237
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:06,490
but I'll ryan right he's a marvelous man

1238
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:08,680
i mean really i mean he's friendly and

1239
00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:11,230
he's funny and he can't resist doing

1240
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:13,660
magic tricks and the drama at the drop

1241
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:15,460
of a magic hat you'll pull a rabbit out

1242
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:17,950
of it it's now what do you have there

1243
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:20,170
Rach all some very important news very

1244
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:22,840
important news now our Australian

1245
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,210
listeners would understand that the

1246
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:27,520
significance of this and as a lot of you

1247
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:28,690
would have heard earlier in the podcast

1248
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:31,330
it was Australia Day on Monday here and

1249
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,640
as a part of Australia Day we have

1250
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:35,440
awards given out by our government the

1251
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:37,360
who record that recognizes people that

1252
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,550
have contributed to society in some way

1253
00:52:46,109 --> 00:52:42,640
or another and often a lot of sportsmen

1254
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:46,119
are recognized or you know celebrities

1255
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:49,830
but my dad got an award this year oh

1256
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:53,440
yeah was fantastic my dad got an order

1257
00:53:00,480 --> 00:52:58,330
of australia medal for services he for

1258
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:00,490
services he's given to Vietnam veterans

1259
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:04,240
for I'm doing a lot of work in fighting

1260
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:05,890
for their entitlements since they got

1261
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,690
back from Vietnam and also for work he's

1262
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:10,480
done helping disenfranchised and

1263
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:13,570
delinquent youth Wow through a program

1264
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:16,450
called Operation Flinders where he would

1265
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,490
take kids in trouble or kids on the

1266
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:20,440
street up to the bush for a week and

1267
00:53:24,859 --> 00:53:23,320
teach them about teamwork and instill

1268
00:53:28,489 --> 00:53:24,869
them with self-esteem and

1269
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:28,499
give them a lesson in you know how to to

1270
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:30,630
bond with people again and that program

1271
00:53:34,759 --> 00:53:32,130
is it has been incredibly successful

1272
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:34,769
that's just amazing news I know your

1273
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:36,930
daddy's and he's a wonderful guy and to

1274
00:53:42,529 --> 00:53:39,930
our UK listeners that's something

1275
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,539
equivalent to an MBE or an over ye so

1276
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,180
that's quite a high honor it is high on

1277
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:47,730
technique he really deserves it he's

1278
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:51,660
he's done some great stuff so yeah now

1279
00:53:54,499 --> 00:53:53,130
Tiffany something's caught your

1280
00:53:56,749 --> 00:53:54,509
attention something did catch my

1281
00:53:59,660 --> 00:53:56,759
attention today in the news Sir David

1282
00:54:01,880 --> 00:53:59,670
Attenborough you may know him famous

1283
00:54:03,319 --> 00:54:01,890
British broadcaster and naturalist has

1284
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:03,329
been getting a lot of hate mail from

1285
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:06,930
creationists why anybody on this planet

1286
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:09,450
could ever send David Attenborough hate

1287
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:11,970
mail is beyond me well apparently they

1288
00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:18,769
he's got a documentary series coming out

1289
00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:21,660
on Charles Darwin that is this coming

1290
00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:24,539
week in Britain oh yeah and he said that

1291
00:54:28,579 --> 00:54:26,339
it's basically the stories is expecting

1292
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:28,589
a lot more hate mail on account of that

1293
00:54:32,890 --> 00:54:31,710
because he has a hard time with people

1294
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:32,900
and

1295
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:34,490
for the fact that he believes in

1296
00:54:38,350 --> 00:54:36,650
evolution know which is how it's worded

1297
00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:38,360
here it says over his belief in

1298
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:39,830
evolution which I don't even really like

1299
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:42,710
that too yeah belief in evolution yeah

1300
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:45,230
something it's a sure to believe it I

1301
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:50,450
don't believe in maths it just yes but

1302
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:52,460
it's also tough isn't it because i think

1303
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:55,010
i read somewhere in the UK press that

1304
00:54:59,470 --> 00:54:56,810
the creationists are angry because

1305
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:59,480
throughout the many many years and he

1306
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,400
has done nature documentaries he's never

1307
00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:03,170
attributed the beauty of the world to

1308
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:05,150
god that's right he's never actually

1309
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,610
said well thank thank the lord for

1310
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:09,440
creating this bird but there is

1311
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:11,900
something he does that the creationists

1312
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:13,610
always pick up on don't know Richard and

1313
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:15,320
one of those things is for example

1314
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:16,340
they'll say the beauty of that

1315
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:18,470
hummingbird that you photographed in the

1316
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,990
last series and he comes back with that

1317
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:22,640
you know about this how he responded

1318
00:55:27,550 --> 00:55:24,890
year since I've but I've heard him say

1319
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:27,560
this on in an interview before but he

1320
00:55:32,260 --> 00:55:30,410
says Sir David Attenborough says they

1321
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:32,270
always mean beautiful things like

1322
00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:33,770
hummingbirds will talk about the natural

1323
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,140
world and God's creation and he replies

1324
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:38,960
by saying that that he thinks of the

1325
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:41,590
little child in East Africa with a worm

1326
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:46,010
borrowing through its eyeball and which

1327
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:48,050
you can take as being all the horrible

1328
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:50,030
things that happen to people all around

1329
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:52,310
the world that's right every national

1330
00:55:56,410 --> 00:55:54,710
though and he said yeah that worm cannot

1331
00:55:58,780 --> 00:55:56,420
live in any other way except by

1332
00:56:02,350 --> 00:55:58,790
burrowing through eyeballs hmm so how

1333
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:02,360
can you how can it yeah kind of it's

1334
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:04,190
cherry picking me the data in a way

1335
00:56:10,330 --> 00:56:05,690
isn't it but is it isn't it interesting

1336
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:10,340
that the first time is it no the people

1337
00:56:16,270 --> 00:56:13,490
who are were the most venom and hatred

1338
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:16,280
in their hearts are the fundamentalist

1339
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:19,130
Christians who have should be living by

1340
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:22,310
forgive turn the other cheek compassion

1341
00:56:25,219 --> 00:56:23,849
oh boy

1342
00:56:28,279 --> 00:56:25,229
another one saying I hope you burn in

1343
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:28,289
hell yeah tortured forever yeah yeah for

1344
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,630
all of eternity a bit for being a nice

1345
00:56:35,089 --> 00:56:33,119
guy basically yeah I mean he's a he's a

1346
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:35,099
notch isn't he oh yes he's gonna do some

1347
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:38,569
brothers old yes yeah I mean he's done

1348
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:41,400
he's just retires retiring this year I

1349
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:43,619
thought he had retired actually he's

1350
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:47,210
only 82 well that's true he's just

1351
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:50,249
rolling about two years ago he filmed

1352
00:56:54,529 --> 00:56:52,890
other um in the undergrowth flight in

1353
00:56:58,039 --> 00:56:54,539
the undergrowth oh yeah that was

1354
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:58,049
fantastic and you know he was 79 80

1355
00:57:01,969 --> 00:57:00,150
years old crawling on the ground digging

1356
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:01,979
young doing all those things he's

1357
00:57:05,989 --> 00:57:04,650
obviously got a lot in him no I'm

1358
00:57:07,999 --> 00:57:05,999
solutely he's so passionate and

1359
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,009
enthusiastic about what he does doesn't

1360
00:57:12,259 --> 00:57:10,319
know he's just simply the best presenter

1361
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:12,269
on for nature documentaries that's been

1362
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:13,950
oh no you listen to the skipping zone

1363
00:57:18,769 --> 00:57:16,650
sir david so we do appreciate you and

1364
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,779
heartfelt congratulations for your world

1365
00:57:24,769 --> 00:57:21,900
yes yeah is that documentary coming out

1366
00:57:26,509 --> 00:57:24,779
for Darwin's birthday it is yes this

1367
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:26,519
year marks the 200th anniversary of

1368
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,160
Darwin's birth and 150 years since his

1369
00:57:34,219 --> 00:57:31,380
most famous work the origin of species

1370
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:34,229
hmm it was an episode of The Simpsons on

1371
00:57:39,499 --> 00:57:37,130
just the other day where they have the

1372
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:39,509
Springfield they were forced to teach

1373
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,799
the kids creationism and Lisa set up a

1374
00:57:50,209 --> 00:57:44,960
rebel group of students to learn

1375
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,219
evolution I think that one's funny only

1376
00:57:54,499 --> 00:57:52,380
you and Homer had to say about it and

1377
00:57:57,259 --> 00:57:54,509
while still in the UK I've got some news

1378
00:57:58,969 --> 00:57:57,269
about some a person well I guess it's

1379
00:58:01,009 --> 00:57:58,979
kind of legislation I don't know if you

1380
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:01,019
call it that but not the complementary

1381
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:02,730
and natural health care council

1382
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:04,710
in the UK announced a code of conduct

1383
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,810
this week and it's designed to to create

1384
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,700
regulations for alternative medicine

1385
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:13,680
practitioners and if you don't know

1386
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,850
anything about the complementary

1387
00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:16,910
Mountain National Health Care Council

1388
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:19,950
they were established in 2008 with money

1389
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:21,690
from the Department of Health in the UK

1390
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:24,900
and also the King's Fund they were given

1391
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,230
1.9 million pounds in total and the

1392
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,660
purpose of their establishment was to

1393
00:58:35,180 --> 00:58:32,880
enhance public protection by setting

1394
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,190
standards in the area of alternative

1395
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:37,680
medicine which is great yeah so

1396
00:58:41,060 --> 00:58:38,910
basically they're supposed to be there

1397
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:41,070
to make sure that the industry is

1398
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:44,910
regulated but they did introduce some

1399
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:46,530
regulation this week but it's a code of

1400
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,730
conduct and it has nothing to do with

1401
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:52,440
addressing the efficacy or effectiveness

1402
00:58:59,420 --> 00:58:57,380
of the treatments it's simply a form of

1403
00:59:01,490 --> 00:58:59,430
legislation to make sure that everyone

1404
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:01,500
has the right certificates and that they

1405
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:02,970
conduct themselves in the correct manner

1406
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:04,890
and that they have insurance and that

1407
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,750
they have insurance that's interesting

1408
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,119
yes that's interesting why does it have

1409
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:12,000
to have a choice yeah yeah however one

1410
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:13,290
of the cabinets which I found quite

1411
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:15,060
interesting was that leads it is

1412
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:18,359
actually voluntary and secondly it costs

1413
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:21,570
money to join it's 45 quid I know that's

1414
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:24,720
not a lot of money but yeah it's a

1415
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,570
voluntary for a start Maggie done who is

1416
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:29,460
the co-chair of the complimentary

1417
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,460
National Health Care Council she said

1418
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:34,619
that the aim of it was to clean up the

1419
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:37,170
industry and apparently one in five

1420
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:39,840
people in the UK use some alternative

1421
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:42,090
therapy clinics I'm surprised it's only

1422
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:44,850
one in five well it's only one in fact

1423
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:48,530
that's what she's quoted her she said um

1424
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:50,730
but then I guess it's difficult to tell

1425
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:53,010
is that if there's no regulation how can

1426
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:54,420
they tell how many people that would

1427
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:57,170
just be a survey of people

1428
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:00,440
maybe yeah but what's going to lead me

1429
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:02,510
to a segue but I won't go there which

1430
01:00:08,829 --> 01:00:06,950
was I'll go come on I know this story

1431
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:08,839
that we saw on Monday on today tonight

1432
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:11,980
about the psychic predictions for 2009

1433
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:15,380
did anyone see that story no I've heard

1434
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:16,970
about it if you missed it it's on my

1435
01:00:21,010 --> 01:00:18,470
youtube channel i could go to youtube

1436
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:21,020
and go to rape gcd you'll find it it was

1437
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:23,089
a quite a well-known psychic from

1438
01:00:29,530 --> 01:00:26,210
Australia predicting yeah you can cut

1439
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:29,540
this out of here well she predicted lots

1440
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,910
of interesting things yes but remember

1441
01:00:35,319 --> 01:00:33,680
the presenter on that story said that

1442
01:00:36,930 --> 01:00:35,329
it's estimated that there's something

1443
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:36,940
like six million dollars spent on

1444
01:00:43,329 --> 01:00:40,010
psychics every year but we're not sure

1445
01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:43,339
if that's if that's an underestimation

1446
01:00:50,289 --> 01:00:45,470
well you only the psychic could tell him

1447
01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:50,299
exactly defense well you really you and

1448
01:00:55,870 --> 01:00:53,240
I have been to the mind-body-spirit read

1449
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,880
mind-body warrant festival few times if

1450
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,160
he's booth a half the booth of people

1451
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:00,079
doing all sorts of witchcraft yes

1452
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:03,170
witchcraft and hokum and magic and stuff

1453
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:05,089
and you gotta wonder and there's lots of

1454
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:08,089
money being changed hands yeah my

1455
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:11,690
department is at the end collecting if

1456
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:13,490
the tax department run after all sorts

1457
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:15,500
of people pay tax department the

1458
01:01:20,049 --> 01:01:17,089
alternative of health industry and the

1459
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,059
psychics are ripping you off me but go

1460
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:22,160
investigate actually ringing ourselves

1461
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:24,170
they're ripping us off well you're

1462
01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:25,609
absolutely right yes parents the

1463
01:01:32,049 --> 01:01:28,760
taxpayers yeah but to come back to this

1464
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:32,059
some piece of code of conduct ms done

1465
01:01:35,799 --> 01:01:34,280
who is the co-chair said it won't take

1466
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:35,809
long for customers to start asking

1467
01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:38,329
whether a practitioner is registered or

1468
01:01:42,549 --> 01:01:40,280
searching on our website from ones that

1469
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:42,559
are then people will vote with their

1470
01:01:47,049 --> 01:01:45,140
feet that's actually worse they're not

1471
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:47,059
having any system at all because what it

1472
01:01:51,849 --> 01:01:49,190
means is that it gives them legitimacy

1473
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:51,859
similar to the listed numbers then the

1474
01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:55,730
TGA it has in Australia where medication

1475
01:02:00,760 --> 01:01:58,220
seems to be officially endorsed it's not

1476
01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,770
really endorse it's just listing costs a

1477
01:02:02,609 --> 01:02:02,000
little bit of money that's all you don't

1478
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:02,619
have to provide

1479
01:02:07,769 --> 01:02:06,190
any evidence of efficacy or safety you

1480
01:02:10,339 --> 01:02:07,779
just have to say you have some evidence

1481
01:02:13,319 --> 01:02:10,349
no this is this is similar it gives them

1482
01:02:15,539 --> 01:02:13,329
legitimacy something I absolutely agree

1483
01:02:19,999 --> 01:02:15,549
with you and what it actually involves

1484
01:02:22,829 --> 01:02:20,009
is that the therapist will get a little

1485
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,839
logo from the regulator with a tick that

1486
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:25,119
they can put on their stationary their

1487
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:26,950
promotional material and on their front

1488
01:02:30,509 --> 01:02:28,900
the front of their shop windows to

1489
01:02:33,420 --> 01:02:30,519
indicate that they have been approved so

1490
01:02:35,489 --> 01:02:33,430
they're an approved crack yes and I

1491
01:02:36,779 --> 01:02:35,499
blogged about this this week actually so

1492
01:02:38,999 --> 01:02:36,789
if you want to read all the details and

1493
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:39,009
find the lengths people head to skeptics

1494
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:42,450
volcom there's a little Q with a V in it

1495
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:48,249
quack no deal with the ticketing cnh see

1496
01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:52,930
which of the radiation venom oh yeah and

1497
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,380
so the thing is even EDS odd Ernst who

1498
01:02:59,819 --> 01:02:58,240
most people would have heard me carrying

1499
01:03:01,680 --> 01:02:59,829
on about every time we did this podcast

1500
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:01,690
he's the professor of complementary

1501
01:03:06,059 --> 01:03:03,430
medicine at the University of Exeter and

1502
01:03:07,859 --> 01:03:06,069
even he said there does need to be more

1503
01:03:10,109 --> 01:03:07,869
rigor in the regulation of complementary

1504
01:03:11,819 --> 01:03:10,119
medicine however I have concerns that

1505
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:11,829
the regulator does not have mandatory

1506
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:13,569
powers and is not looking at the

1507
01:03:19,710 --> 01:03:16,569
efficacy of these therapies so basically

1508
01:03:21,299 --> 01:03:19,720
all you have to do to become registered

1509
01:03:23,130 --> 01:03:21,309
is demonstrate that you have the right

1510
01:03:25,799 --> 01:03:23,140
qualifications now that I have a problem

1511
01:03:27,660 --> 01:03:25,809
with that for a start because what what

1512
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:27,670
if you're a qualified homeopathy I mean

1513
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,170
basically that just meant you turned up

1514
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:31,599
to homeopathic school and poured water

1515
01:03:35,999 --> 01:03:34,089
in a little jar gave yourself a degree

1516
01:03:38,579 --> 01:03:36,009
well are you bought it from what is what

1517
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,589
is an approved on the uppity school it's

1518
01:03:42,329 --> 01:03:40,960
not defined as far as IQ can't be

1519
01:03:44,749 --> 01:03:42,339
defined they make they approve it

1520
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:44,759
themselves then it sounds as if I what

1521
01:03:49,859 --> 01:03:46,690
qualifications you

1522
01:03:51,569 --> 01:03:49,869
be candid to me invitation to me it's

1523
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:51,579
really open I absolutely agree with you

1524
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:54,310
it is as I said in my blog it's just if

1525
01:03:58,859 --> 01:03:57,130
backwards they should be looking at the

1526
01:04:00,680 --> 01:03:58,869
efficacy of these things first and then

1527
01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:00,690
looking at how they've been carried out

1528
01:04:05,130 --> 01:04:03,430
but I looked into this a bit further and

1529
01:04:07,950 --> 01:04:05,140
I had a look at who's on the board of

1530
01:04:10,410 --> 01:04:07,960
the CHC just to get my dear who is

1531
01:04:16,829 --> 01:04:10,420
regulating this yeah and guess who is

1532
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,839
guys who oh well it was the actual bit

1533
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:18,640
cnh they were set up by the princes

1534
01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:20,380
foundation for Integrative Health okay

1535
01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:22,900
and that's Prince Charles charge is now

1536
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:24,040
what do we know about his childhood

1537
01:04:28,829 --> 01:04:25,839
attitudes to alternative therapies

1538
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:28,839
anything goes baby that's right and on

1539
01:04:34,589 --> 01:04:32,050
top of that the board Maggie done who I

1540
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:34,599
referred to earlier she was the late air

1541
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:36,280
of the general counsel for massage

1542
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:40,329
therapy until June 2008 another person

1543
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:41,950
on the board Maggie Wallace was the late

1544
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:43,690
chair of the Council of organizations

1545
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:47,410
register registering homeopaths what it

1546
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:49,839
gets worse there's a woman called jenny

1547
01:04:55,290 --> 01:04:52,990
gordon and she completed her PhD in 2007

1548
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:55,300
which focused on the use of reflexology

1549
01:05:02,130 --> 01:04:58,150
as an adjunct to care in the management

1550
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:02,140
of childhood idiopathic constipation I'm

1551
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:05,470
a great organization or institution gave

1552
01:05:11,220 --> 01:05:08,950
this person I could be HD I haven't

1553
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:11,230
found that information yet Iran so it

1554
01:05:20,609 --> 01:05:13,450
could be a few in debts got an email

1555
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:20,619
address well how you have kids how is

1556
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:22,180
massaging their figure to help their

1557
01:05:30,030 --> 01:05:25,510
constipation can it depends where that

1558
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:32,670
I hope I have three boys you know the

1559
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:35,320
cookies eating all kinds of places for

1560
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:38,740
this I cure I'm sure I don't know if

1561
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:43,680
like someone got your boys no anyway

1562
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:46,690
anyway I was cranky about that because

1563
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:48,130
as I Ron Cey the Atlantic University

1564
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:51,610
once again to a lot of nonsense so even

1565
01:05:56,190 --> 01:05:52,990
if EDS other answers cranking and I

1566
01:05:59,220 --> 01:05:56,200
think there's something wrong now I'd

1567
01:06:02,100 --> 01:05:59,230
like to give a big shout out to a good

1568
01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:02,110
friend Brian Dunning from skip toid

1569
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:05,260
hello Brian hello hello on your podcast

1570
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:08,170
we do it it's great I never miss an

1571
01:06:14,250 --> 01:06:10,030
episode I really like his podcast kept

1572
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:14,260
white comedy heist it skipped ID com s k

1573
01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:20,650
EP t oh I d.com now there Bryant's

1574
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:24,790
coming up for his 150th episode party

1575
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:28,960
he's having a party without us oh not

1576
01:06:33,050 --> 01:06:31,270
allowed is it no that's not a party

1577
01:06:35,490 --> 01:06:33,060
unless why are we giving him a shout

1578
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:35,500
that's because he's gonna send us all

1579
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:39,010
airfares to come and join him oh great

1580
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:41,650
he's really nice right it's just so good

1581
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:44,440
no seriously folks if skip toid is a

1582
01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:46,660
fantastic podcasters it is one of the

1583
01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:48,340
best skeptical but i think it's just

1584
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:51,940
almost as good as ours podcast out there

1585
01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:54,010
for skepticism man i'm not saying

1586
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:55,660
anything all right i love skipped we

1587
01:06:59,610 --> 01:06:56,710
talk now if you want to find out more

1588
01:07:00,990 --> 01:06:59,620
about the 150th episode party which will

1589
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:01,000
be held at the university the university

1590
01:07:10,770 --> 01:07:05,590
club university of california irvine go

1591
01:07:12,330 --> 01:07:10,780
to skip dude calm / party dot PHP for

1592
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:12,340
more information where is the party

1593
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:15,550
Richard that's going to be on the 18th

1594
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:18,310
of April okay so there's time for our

1595
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:20,050
listeners or brian dunning to send us

1596
01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:23,770
plane fares there is

1597
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:26,920
good on your Brian and 150 episodes and

1598
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:29,410
their each episode is quality son did

1599
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:31,510
you have you heard anyone here heard his

1600
01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:36,010
men men yes yes yes I was fantastic

1601
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:37,720
wasn't it that was that was brilliant a

1602
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:39,670
min min light show an old Australian

1603
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:41,650
sort of folklore thy she just wants life

1604
01:07:45,570 --> 01:07:43,840
about Australia Brian yes Brian come on

1605
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:45,580
it's lots of stuff we should send him

1606
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:47,890
some ideas I'm sorry I don't think he's

1607
01:07:52,350 --> 01:07:49,900
done the yeah how are you come on have

1608
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:52,360
you done the drop bears the drop there's

1609
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:53,770
yeah did you even know what drop bears

1610
01:08:01,200 --> 01:07:57,210
are Brian send us an email will tell you

1611
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:01,210
I in the Black Panther and the blah oh

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:03,940
yeah that came up in episode 1 I think

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01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:06,730
it keeps coming up keeps going up

1614
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:08,740
nothing for one of those Current Affair

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:11,710
shows did it show on it a few months ago

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01:08:16,829 --> 01:08:14,410
and they went into the whole thing where

1617
01:08:18,599 --> 01:08:16,839
there was this conspiracy of the Black

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01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:18,609
Panther escaped from the zoo but they

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01:08:22,170 --> 01:08:19,960
didn't want anyone have thrown at it so

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01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:22,180
they covered it all up they thought it

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01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:24,100
would just like died out in the wild

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01:08:28,650 --> 01:08:26,380
somewhere but it's like out there living

1623
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:28,660
it's amazing to me that the the current

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:30,190
affair shows don't bother looking at

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01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:33,130
their own shows 10 years 20 years in the

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01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:37,120
past no it's debunked it or they've just

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:39,190
covered it or whatever because these

1628
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:41,650
things just do cycles and it's amazing

1629
01:08:46,110 --> 01:08:43,480
that you're talking about the the

1630
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:46,120
psychic predictions every year yeah

1631
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:48,130
right but they never go bother to go

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01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:49,960
back and take their accuracy they don't

1633
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:53,500
care it's not about accuracy it's not

1634
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:55,330
about evidence yeah like there are here

1635
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,130
and they're missing the missing evidence

1636
01:09:01,559 --> 01:08:59,440
it's just so classic those was an

1637
01:09:03,329 --> 01:09:01,569
article in The Telegraph it was on a

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01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:03,339
city morning held today but in the UK

1639
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:05,260
Telegraph I think yesterday by Boris

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01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:08,200
Johnson the Mayor of London and he wrote

1641
01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:12,790
about this UK man 43 old man who hacked

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01:09:17,519 --> 01:09:15,790
into the Pentagon computers and the

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01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:17,529
Pentagon the Americans are after him

1644
01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:19,900
they want him extradited to the US and

1645
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,720
the reason I've always done some objects

1646
01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:23,440
to him being

1647
01:09:28,349 --> 01:09:25,270
the u.s. because he says this guy's a

1648
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:28,359
crackpot he the reason he hacked into

1649
01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:29,920
the Pentagon computers is because he was

1650
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:33,580
looking for evidence of the conspiracy

1651
01:09:38,579 --> 01:09:35,529
the grand conspiracy to hide the extry

1652
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:38,589
the fact would be encountered and aliens

1653
01:09:46,459 --> 01:09:42,310
yeah the thing is that according to this

1654
01:09:48,510 --> 01:09:46,469
man he actually found evidence

1655
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:48,520
unfortunately it was all deleted from

1656
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,940
his computer by the UFOs made out of all

1657
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,440
the lizard people he because of these

1658
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:55,600
are people's yes that isn't it

1659
01:10:01,170 --> 01:09:58,860
interesting it's always a blurry shot or

1660
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:01,180
my camera deleted it or like we

1661
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:03,010
discussed in the UFO special a couple of

1662
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:05,410
weeks ago the UFOs have cancelling

1663
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:07,780
blaring beans for beams that make you

1664
01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:10,150
sleepy or in the case of the Black

1665
01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:12,520
Panther it's usually with nothing that

1666
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,020
you can the only good ones are the ones

1667
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:16,480
who are you there's no scale looks like

1668
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,180
mmm it could be any size yeah it could

1669
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:21,760
be as big as a lion are smaller than you

1670
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:24,730
know yeah yeah well I'm gonna keep a

1671
01:10:28,290 --> 01:10:26,500
look out my back door tonight for the

1672
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:28,300
Black Panther I suggest our listeners do

1673
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:31,300
too and your first and UFOs or a black

1674
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:35,170
panther in a UFO yes black panther

1675
01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:38,290
flying a UFO who takes homeopathy yes

1676
01:10:42,330 --> 01:10:40,600
and sticks candles and there is that's

1677
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:42,340
right don't forget that you can don't

1678
01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:49,500
chickadees I like to the comedic value

1679
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:51,820
of all the video you can't imagine you

1680
01:10:55,470 --> 01:10:53,890
can't imagine a myopathy but you can

1681
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:55,480
imagine somebody with when you have to

1682
01:11:00,330 --> 01:10:58,030
research a 10 minute episode of dr.

1683
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:00,340
mojee about that you get so angry that

1684
01:11:04,410 --> 01:11:02,770
you stand around your landrum we are

1685
01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:04,420
hitting the floor until your neighbors

1686
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:06,460
you know tap the ceiling only your right

1687
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:09,400
up there you know what you need what

1688
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:14,320
homeopathy or you can stick it up your

1689
01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:18,610
ear thank you I like doing this episode

1690
01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:20,199
of the think tank by thanking dr. I

1691
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:21,070
jordana think

1692
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:22,900
you're Richard every day thank you and

1693
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:25,480
your unsecured thank you and I'd like to

1694
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:27,010
win with something which I hope hasn't

1695
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,930
been invented or quoted before i'm gonna

1696
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:30,400
call this saunders lure if i'm wrong

1697
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:33,970
please let me know saunders law the more

1698
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:36,520
bizarre the premise the more entrenched

1699
01:11:44,250 --> 01:11:40,750
the belief hmm cheers everybody yes I'm

1700
01:11:50,230 --> 01:11:47,710
you know what you can ask me what the

1701
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:50,240
original what Reiki is in the original

1702
01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:52,670
language oh yes which is this isn't

1703
01:11:58,050 --> 01:11:54,500
recorder Richard you speak Ricky don't I

1704
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:58,060
do but actually brekkie is a very old

1705
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:00,230
technique that dates back to thousands

1706
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:01,490
of years and the language at the time

1707
01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:03,650
was not English that's right it wasn't

1708
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:05,750
pronounced Reiki as we are today how was

1709
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:41,710
I I thought he was gonna say rachy

1710
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:44,420
Stefano you've removed your ear candles

1711
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:47,610
already open pardon now do it now no

1712
01:12:52,730 --> 01:12:50,700
sorry I can't hear you he's full of wax

1713
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:52,740
haga you know that's been slight side

1714
01:13:00,260 --> 01:12:57,840
effects of ear candling uh wow I'm good

1715
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,270
down oh good I'm glad you feel cleansed

1716
01:13:06,140 --> 01:13:02,640
and enlightened and all the rest of my

1717
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:06,150
Kundalini my chakra is everything in my

1718
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:10,170
astral self is aligned just like a

1719
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:12,660
candle a little flame on top which is my

1720
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:15,930
soul ah i see beautiful I think we've

1721
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:17,130
got to go to the other but the other

1722
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,320
side and do another podcast I think we

1723
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,600
could do another great show there with

1724
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:23,760
you at the end the mid week that the mid

1725
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:25,530
fortnightly shows going well to the

1726
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:27,570
little more oh sure you put together a

1727
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:29,670
little tip it every second week and in

1728
01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:30,810
fact I'm glad you mentioned that because

1729
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:33,720
our guest next week is none other than

1730
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,120
dr. ben goldacre from the bad science

1731
01:13:41,780 --> 01:13:38,880
blog oh yeah an extended interview with

1732
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:41,790
him where he just goes off and rate is

1733
01:13:46,220 --> 01:13:43,980
about all sorts of things in fact it's a

1734
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:46,230
nice clear crisp interview and I'm sure

1735
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:48,060
everybody will enjoy it Richard it's

1736
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:50,220
been another fabulous experience being

1737
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,860
here in the zone and I look forward to

1738
01:13:56,420 --> 01:13:54,960
coming back next time me too but in the

1739
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:56,430
meantime the question is of course what

1740
01:14:00,740 --> 01:13:57,960
are we going to do all these ear candles

1741
01:14:02,330 --> 01:14:00,750
ah I've got a few letters that need

1742
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:02,340
ceiling maybe we can do some of them

1743
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:04,620
something there ok well another great

1744
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:07,110
show let's come back again next time

1745
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:14,890
you've been listening to the skeptic

1746
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:18,890
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1747
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:22,700
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